Conflicts between science and religion

Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as with a women,it is an abomination.

The act is a big NO...period

If you listen to that still small voice ........ you know the answer to this . http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_re_us/us_lutherans_gays They are using it is written . What say you ?????

I thought this was cool. http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2006/0207-back_to_the_moon.htm

What is written is the question . I am of the belief that God writes his laws on our hearts . Solo Scripture has a major problem . Which written word is the real written word . Over the centuries it has changed from one sect to another . Claiming this book should be included this one shouldn't this one is inspired because ...... this one isn't. It is just a guide . We already know what is right and wrong . What we should do or not . It is called conscious that small still voice.

Funny, The god you claim to worship always prefaced his words with "it is written" but when one follows his lead ,he is put down for it. :blink:

There is a way we can all redeem ourselves in our quest to convince people towards our point of view . I believe first is to understand what relegion is .Religion is stories . A collection . Moses parted the Red Sea. Muhammad recorded the final words of God. Jesus rooled the stone away . He rose from the dead. A better way IMO to handle this would be to ask the question. What does it mean to you that Moses parted the Red Sea . Or that he came down from the mountaintop, Jesus healed the sick rose from the dead . Muhammad the Prophet lived among us? How does that affect the way you live your life or deal with our inevitable deaths ?? On the other side it is just as important to place these question ot our lives . The questions are different . Is there really a God ? Does He really exists? Religious experiences other people have - divine & miraculous ,cosmic oneness with everything answer to prayers- works of God ? Again how does this affect the way your live your life ? If we want to take this topic to where the rubber meets the road. Obviously most of us are not scientist or preachers . Just interested in how to run our lives in a way that makes the world a better place . As for us the goal ......better people Nobody gets out alive

Well stated prigz . The purpose of the topic was to bring two sides that could mutually benefit . I know it was mentioned I'm not a scientist . Well on that note I'm not one either or a minister . I know there is plenty of good material for an educational and inspiring dialogue . I have a sense of pride to be part of the group with the heart displayed . Thank you .

That's well said. It's not an either/or proposition though with regard to scripture. Those sentiments are found within scripture if one makes the effort to find and focus on them. I'm not going to fault anyone for finding and quoting scripture. I just won't do it. But I do take issue from time to time with what is selected and how or why it is quoted. What you call the mortal element. To my mind, we have been focusing lately here on two things, a water thing and a fire thing. Yes, they did get after John the Baptist for trying to purify enough people to overthrow the establishment, but as a rule I have noticed that things having to do with water are benign, including of course the act of baptism. Where we get into trouble is when we start waving fire sticks around.

Sigh… quote the scriptures all you want, but in the end, it boils down to “my way is better than your way”. As Egg has already pointed out, even when adherents professed to be following the same Bible, praying to the same God, professing belief in the same Jesus Christ, they still found enough issues to go on murderous rampages. We humans have many abilities, including compassion, empathy, love, caring, that are noble and good, and we also have other properties of deceit (including of self), arrogance, hate, jealousy, greed, cruelty and a bunch more that I’m not going to list, that are not so good. Ok, so the latter you can blame on the Devil/Satan, whether as influence or possession. How many people died being purged of the Devil by well-meaning God-fearing, scripture-quoting murderers (because that’s what they became by their actions)?

We can’t sidestep our own responsibility and culpability by blaming it on Satan. We must acknowledge that the seeds of both greatness and depravity are within us (external help is not needed), and it is up to us, each and every one of us, to promote the good aspects and suppress the other. It’s been shown time and time again that ordinary, good people can be induced to do horrible and evil things if they believe (that word again) that they are doing “the right thing”.

The very fact that the umbrella of Christianity has many factions who violently disagree with each other, even though their faith is based on presumably the same bedrock, says that maybe the problem is not so much the scriptures, but what we, as humans, do with them. The same problem seems to be showing up in the Muslim world, where various branches of Shiites and Sunnis consider all the other adherents as apostates to be exterminated. If you expand the ground covered by belief to ideology, well, we’ve just found more examples of people killing other people because they didn’t think the same thoughts. What’s the common element? It’s us. It’s within the human mindset to believe (or self-delude) that we have figured it all out and that “we” have the correct interpretation and that “we” are on the right side of the absolute line of right and wrong, and therefore, we need to “cleanse” those who have not seen the light.

What’s getting lost in this pursuit of “rightness” are the traits that redeem us as humans, such as compassion, humility, and empathy. A certain amount of doubt about our certainties is the safety line that allows us to exercise our humility, our compassion and our empathy. We may think we’re right, but just in case we’re not, we better treat our neighbours and fellow planetary inhabitants with respect.

Topics like this one require revealing it's purpose . When people feel threatened and their beliefs challenged bam!! The walls come up the defensive positions are established " shock and awe " bombardment . This type of behaviour creates Polarizing positions . Peaceful "real " conversation , dialogue is all that is required . I am aware that there is a need for people to understand . "Ignorance breeds myths .

Matthew 28:19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

kage said Egg any believer in Christ has the authority to baptize in the Father Holy Spirit and the Son,that is scriture that is part of the commission.

Why didn't any of the Apostals baptize anyone this way? Any place in the Book of Acts they all baptised in Jesus name.

dennis Said: Kage, not much of an answer,but no offense taken. I understand where you are coming from. Just go easy on the scripture. Try using your own words. That cut and paste scripture stuff really turns people off.

satans mission is to blind us from anything of God,satan HATES us with a passion,so if ya have no need or care about God that is a lie from satan,why would God go against Himself,He does not want anybody to perish but He also will not force us,Dennis I was not trying to offend you,I just pray that you and everybody else will see who God really is and how much He loves us,dont judge God by mans actions,meet Him personally and see for yourself how MUCH He loves us.

There was a dig somewhere in Egypt and they found a rubber boot and guess what else according to there tests that they do it was the same age as the old artifacts...go figure

To follow up on eggs historical reply , before the Jews the Aryans are now considered by science and historians to have lived near or the not ice covered North Pole and the oldest tribe or cultured known to this time . This is a part of their scripture passed down before the Jews of old. With smiliar stories until written. There's an incredible thread here mentioned about a "Golden Age" of humankind..when humans were so close to their Creator they didn't need writing or speech or tools to sustain themselves..and then the Zoroastrian story......... God and humans relationship to Him go father back than most have been taught .