Conflicts between science and religion

An interesting side note; I go to a church. (Trying to get the wife involved for some reason) I'm atheist. The whole congregation knows it. Many try to convert me.

While BSing with the Rev one day, and we were alone, he leaned over and whispered in my ear that I was more Christian than 99% of his believers. He never elaborated on that, but did tell me NOT to change myself in any way. :laugh:

copperman Said: “Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him”? If God himself loved the world, why did the apostle say this?—1 John 2:15.

The apostle is talking about the world system.

“Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him”? If God himself loved the world, why did the apostle say this?—1 John 2:15. The Bible shows that God loves the world of mankind simply as humans who are in an imperfect, dying state and in desperate need of help. On the other hand, Satan has organized most of humankind in opposition to God. It is that “world”—human society alienated from God and under Satan’s control—from which true Christians must be separate. (James 1:27) God’s Word warns against loving the wrong desires and deeds of that world: “Everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.”—1 John 2:15-17.

1 john 2:15,do not love the world should not be read as an utter rejection of the world,for "God....loved the world" (john3:16),Rather,John warns against DEVOTION to a world system that is opposed God.

MODERN-DAY religion is, for the most part, very much a part of the world, so it shares in the world’s celebrations and reflects its nationalistic spirit. Its clergy often acknowledge that fact, and many of them like it that way. In sharp contrast, Jesus said of his true followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”—John 17:16. To be no part of the world, they had to be no part of religious systems that were deeply involved in the affairs of the world and that had absorbed doctrines and customs from ancient Babylon, the longtime enemy of true worship.Today known as Babylon the Great SEE REVELATION 18 After these things I saw another angel descending from heaven, with great authority; and the earth was lighted up from his glory. 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” 4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.

Yes we do screw up but thats were Gods Mercy,Grace and Forgiveness comes into play annd thats why He sent His only son and when we screw up and are truly repentant we are forgivin,God does not love us any less or more because we screw up or because were real good,and walkin the walk is between you and Him but you need to make sure it is in line with His word,and also He did not say keep away from all the evil in the world He said not to worship it or put it before Him,if we keep away how would ya witness?

What is the walk? There my friend is where most people fail. Jesus while on earth, gave instructions as how we are to walk and what we are to DO. One was to keep away from pagan religion and false god's. Is your worship free from contamination of false religion? If you or your kids are out for Halloween tonight, your worship is contaminated. Most religions do teach that a person should not lie or steal, and so forth. But is that sufficient? Consider this,Would you be happy to drink a glass of poisoned water because someone assured you that most of what you were getting was water? 2 Cor. 11:14, 15: “Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness.” Here we are cautioned that not everything that originates with Satan may appear hideous. One of his chief methods of deceiving mankind has been false religion of all kinds, to some of which he gives a righteous appearance.

And when you accept Him as your Lord and Saviour and walk the walk He created you to walk you ARE doing His will..

It starts with believe and when you follow Him He does the rest..

O Kage don't you mean 3 1John 2:17 ...He that does the will of God remains forever. To remain in God's love requires more then believing. Evan the Demons believe. James 2:18-23. Faith without works means nothing to God AS the Bible teaches.

CIAK Said: Morality in a human being is what in my eyes is what God requires of us . To have science or religion say they have the only answer is arrogant.

There is really only 2 things the Lord requires of ya 1)Love the Lord with all your heart soul and mind 2)Love your nieghbor as yourself.

The answer your looking for can only be acomplished the day you accept Him into your life as your Lord and Saviour and i know that from experience,but hey,if i'm wrong whats it gonna hurt ya,,,but if its true :S

Morality in a human being is what in my eyes is what God requires of us . To have science or religion say they have the only answer is arrogant.

You cant explain God the way your askin Ciak,it is a personal experience WHEN you accept Him as your Lord and Saviour and walk the walk He created you to walk, He opens your eyes,mind,and soul and heart to His ways,believe me i've been around the block,i use to be one of those guys if i found out you were a believer i would ride ya like no other,i hated it, but when i accepted Him He gave me understanding,enough for each day and the more you follow Him the more things just happen,you know that you know that you know..it wasnt crap..and science..God created it,just dont put it before God..

A case for science http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3094/how-galileos-spy-glass-upended-science What we now know wasn't brought into existence by religion or what the Church taught as the gospel . Science in it own way has the same exact arrogance as the church . To say We know and that is it phew what a statement .

If today's EKG is any indication, I'll try to report back what I find on my trip there. Maybe I can then shed some light on things for you. :laugh: :laugh: