Conflicts between science and religion

minnesotaroofin Said: A murdering child rapest on his death bed being forgiven and granted into the kingdom of heaven -- while the peace loving never hurt a fly guy type goes to hell.

If chester truly asks the Lord for forgivness and repents yes he will be forgivin,if the peace lovin guy does not believe and denies the Lord yes he will be in hell,thats also biblical...not me.Us as humans Cannot comprehend the Love of the Lord,it is beyond what we could even think...

2 Timonthy 2:12 "if we endure,we will also reign with Him,if we deny Him,He also will deny us."

minnesotaroofin: Sounds like ya know yer stuff. :)

minnesotaroofin Said: So the analogy of a guy being saved on his deathbed by accepting god or jesus into their heart-- after a lifetime of evil cannot and will not happen This is what i believe.

So you think God's gonna say "well your sins are too bad so off to hell you go" and then too the next guy "oh your sins werent that bad so off to heaven you go"...I dont think so,its how are hearts are towards Him,if we believe and accept Him He will never leave us,if we deny Him,He denies us,..and thats biblical...not me.

So if i understand you,its you cant comprehend the forgiveness in Him when we are truly repentent?

Think about you an your enemy you have hated for long time you both have hatred towards each other one way of resolving this anger between the 2 of you would be to partner in crime therfore your sins are equal to eachother. so you and your enemy met up and sacrificed an innocent together - or maybee even beat up a third party your anger to each would be resolved between the 2 of you.

all you have to do is ask forgivness from your enemy,whether he accepts or not does not matter,you have done your part..and its this kinda stuff that the Lord grows you in,forgivness,patience,courage..an so on...

minnesotaroofin Said: And what about the occaisional thoughts do they count for anything -- You see a hot chick walking down the road there you go daydreaming these thoughtsa are just as well as doing the act are they not ---- What about when someone cuts you off -- or call your wife a name - or an employee questions you personally -- These thoughts that really tee you off? Does it really make a difference to you that believe in a supernatural being that he does see these thoughts and are just like the physical act?

Why not a sin is a sin weather you kill an entire family mother fathers sion daughter -- or steal a piece of candy -- Should not one sin carry more of a disipline than the other? How does it make sence that in the end it does not --

When you are truly saved and walkin the walk He wants you too,The Lord grows you up and takes this kinda behavior away as your growing,without ya even noticin sometimes,I mean we do our part too,you see that hot lookin chick walkin by,DONT HAVE THAT 2ND LOOK,And yes sin is sin in God's eyes ,it is man who puts levels on sin,this is why He sent His Son for us,that is how much He loves us He doesnt want ANYBODY damned,but...we have freewill,which means WE need to choose..

I expect to be a worm farm next time. :)

I know where I'm going! :laugh: :cheer: :) :)

When I died on the table and and coded again and again in recovery, and again a few days later, I ddin't see any light! :laugh: Dark where I was. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

If everybody just goes to heaven when we die,answer me this,Why did Jesus have to go to the cross?

If there is a god who says these people are going to eternally rot in a hell for for being who they are -- he who which he created

They wouldnt be going to hell for who they are if they go to hell it would be for non-believe.

Someone could do this there entire life then in their last breath accept god into their heart and they are saved?

If they get the chance,what if it is a sudden death,no one knows when were gonna go,but if ya wanna take a gamble at it thats your choice...good luck on that...

I am of no denonemation either,just the simple belief in The Lord...

and if and when it is as most say on judgement day i will stand up for these people and if it is judged i go to eternal damnation with these fine catholic people i guess i will.

What makes you think you will have a say on that day?

God created science,co-exsist where does that come from??

"Where are our good Atheist"s on this topic ???" Whatcha need me for??????

Ok Ciak, The rule thing,I'll start off by saying when God gave us the 10 Commandments,count that only 10 well religion of Jesus's day and before added 300 and something more for starters hence not God,man,and this still goes on today in 'religion',The Commands are there so we can see whats right and wrong its not enforced upon us,in the bible it says if were gonna follow all the comandments we have to follow everyone of them if we break one we've broken them all,well no human can do this,that is why Jesus was sent for us to take the sins of man upon Himself to the cross,God doesnt want ya for rules and regulations He wants you the way you are,whatever way you are,He'll do the rest if ya let Him,Galations 2:19-21"For through the law I died to the law,so that i might live to God.I have been crucified with Christ.It is no longer I who live,but Christ who lives in me.And the life i now live in the flesh i live by faith in the Son of God,who loved me and gave Himself for me.I do not nullify the grace of God,for if righteousness were through the law,then Christ died for no purpose."

What is God? if your looking for a image,there isnt one,hence commandment#4,but the best way to say what He is would be- God is patient and kind,God does not envy or boast,He is not arrogant or rude.He does not insist on His own way,He is not irritable or resentful,He does not rejoice at wrong doing,but rejoices with the truth.He bears all things,believes all things, hopes all things,endures all things.He is your comforter,strenght,courage,He is your Father who doesnt want nothing but the best for ya.

Why is there so much pain and suffering? Because we have freewill,there is consequences to what we do,good or bad.

Woody...lol...if God has no humor that would make humor our only original contribution to this world. Not a bad thought actually. Along with singing, dancing, exploring, and nailing on shingles straight, we may have a legitimate purpose here after all.

Butting in here...Taking a literal position, there is pain because there are nerve endings. No nervous system, no pain. I may be mistaken, but it is my belief that only humankind equates pain with failure and pleasure with success. Pain and pleasure are like salt and pepper. In fact, success and failure are entirely human constructs. There are many other spices besides salt and pepper. Spices...species...specious....hmmm...Man is interested in meaning, cognitive stuff for the neocortex to churn and burn. God is only interested in manifestation. A tree doesn't stop growing because it loses a limb. Or even an entire trunk with all its limbs. I don't consider myself a genius if I merely observe the manifest. Every particle and electrical impulse has its value and is manifest. Manifestations of what? We have countless generations to explore it all. Some may conclude that all that implies merely the mechanistic. Try listening to a player piano or a cuckoo clock and take note of your level of engagement. My mother is very old and has a great number of brooms, all of them plastic. She adores and respects her 92 year old brother who spent his whole life developing broom-corn. Is there a logical conclusion to be drawn here and if so, how does compassion play into it? Should I point it out to her? Where do I seek guidance on this and what do I consider the authority? If Man were truly and faithfully, literally, made in God's image, all the game animals would come to us for guidance. If meaning is to be a source of enlightenment, in the end it cannot be merely a pit of bruised and revolving egos. Or can it? Do we even care and if not, why not?

Ok kage I'll try to engage your answer . I first want to understand your position. Are you saying there are not rules ? I'm not baiting here . It does appear without an explanation a weak position given the literature I read including but not limited to the Bible. No rules ?? It also bring to mind the question What is God ?? Then the really big question if you can answer Why is there so much pain suffering hate etc in the world if God is omnipresent , most powerful loving and wise ?? I'll stop here engaging your answer for the moment till you can explain . Where are are good Atheist friends ????

CIAK Said: Religion is this idea with rules .

Religion is man made its not God made..