lead paint

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm#contractors Anybody go through this training coarse yet. Here in PA we all need to be trained on lead removal if you work on a home built before 1978.

Thanks Lanny, that sounds like what I had in mind for a setup. I've ordered the ladle online and will be casting my first plaster mold today. So I'll be set to go when the ladle gets here.

One thing about the lead hazard I learned while researching this. Pewter was used for cooking vessels and toys for centuries. It's currently in vogue for door handles. You never hear a thing about it being hazardous. But as I learned, pewter is the lowest temp alloy you can make. All you have to do is melt a mixture of 75% tin, 25% lead.

:laugh: I forgot to mention valleys. Seldom see a roof with valleys have less than 30'.

You're right though. It's nothing to get into a bother about. I mean, who cares? What it will boil down to is the interpretation of the lead inspector and how much lead/paint he decides you got involved with. He'll be a bureaucrat. It'll be easy to prove him/her wrong, and just continue doing what we always did. It shouldn't be any harder than proving OSHA wrong. And that's easy enough to do. ;)

Many of us have to remove and replace siding on shed roofs we're doing. Dormer sides. Dormer windows and sills, fascias, not to even mention long walls where we remove and replace old counterflashing. Me? I might be pulling 20 square of tin roof off with 30 coats of lead based paint on them. I gquess wrapping each section in plastic before tossing will suffice with that.

Well what about dormers and walls were you have to re-flash. You will be disturbing the paint. Removing old gutter and paint is peeling off behind it. I see all kinds of areas where roofers will be impacted

BTW, I meant to post our website: [url]http://www.roofedright.com/url]

Hey guys,

I know there is a lot of confusion with these lead rules, but I am am a Lead Abatement Supervisor in Wisconsin and, no, you don't just go get "chelation" unless you are at a severe risk of irrecoverable sickness. Simply handling non-airborne/non-ingested lead will not do anything to you. The reason the government is coming out with these regulations is because children typically eat paint dust that settles in the wells and around the floors of old windows coated with lead paint. As a roofer myself, out of all of the residential roofing jobs I have overseen or worked on, I can only think of one or two where (in the attic space while installing a gable vent) I could have been exposed to airborne lead or the homeowners could have been exposed.

Nothing to worry about while roofing unless you are doing combo-jobs of roofing/siding/windows, etc. The contractors who need to worry the most about these regulations are window installers doing HUD or other Federal jobs where following lead abatement routine is now a requirement for even bidding the job. That means one Lead Abatement Supervisor on all jobs and all other employees trained as Abatement workers. Windows will be the biggest area of concentration when they do come knocking looking for Lead-Safe work or Lead Abatement work: remember, though, this only applies to residential properties though!

Removing lead soil stacks is not considered lead-safe renovator-covered work. If you are only planning on being a roofing contractor, I wouldn't plan on needing that certification unless you do other work which may disturb lead-based paint. If you do run across an instance of it, you can always just have the homeowner do that part of the work (Lead-safe rules do not apply to the owners of the house, strangely enough). Be sure that you guys warn homeowners about the danger lead-based paint can have on kids, however, and tell them about these new rules if they plan on doing any work with another contractor that may disturb the paint on the interior!

Thanks, and be safe!

copperman Said: I just signed up for my coarse on April 16. cost $195.00. Did some more reading about the requirements and it seams they are trying to put everybody out of business because nobody is going to be able to afford the extra money it will take to do the work. All cutting and sanding tools will have to have a hepa filters. A ll work areas will have to be covered and taped off so no dust leaves the work area. All areas must be cleaned to a dust free condition. Must inform the homeowner and get signed papers from them. All debris must be contained and covered. Applies if you disturb more then 6 square ft interior of 20 square feet exterior or where children or pregnant women are. $37,500.00 a day fine for non compliance. Have a nice day :(

How many square feet is one lead pipe jack?

I just signed up for my coarse on April 16. cost $195.00. Did some more reading about the requirements and it seams they are trying to put everybody out of business because nobody is going to be able to afford the extra money it will take to do the work. All cutting and sanding tools will have to have a hepa filters. A ll work areas will have to be covered and taped off so no dust leaves the work area. All areas must be cleaned to a dust free condition. Must inform the homeowner and get signed papers from them. All debris must be contained and covered. Applies if you disturb more then 6 square ft interior of 20 square feet exterior or where children or pregnant women are. $37,500.00 a day fine for non compliance. Have a nice day :(

Lanny what do you use to melt the lead in and what are your molds made of? I saw something on the internet saying you could melt it in coffee cans. Well my coffee has come in plastic for about 15 years, so I was going to use an old dutch oven. I just gotta find a ladle that won't melt.

When i was a kid i used to squeeze the lead wieghts on my fishing line with my teeth! :woohoo:

I,of course, seek to go in the other direction. I'm going to be smelting my lead scraps. I bought a cast iron piece at an architectural salvage place to be my mold form. I have to decide whether to go plaster or silicone on the mold, but when I do, I'm gonna be breathing in smrlting lead. Let me know if I start getting dumber.

I've been thinking a bit about the lead flashing and new lead rules.

Will the insurance companies now add some extra cash so we can properly handle and dispose of these evil lead flashings? Will we have to bring in specialists in Hazmat suits?

I found this interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

I worry about it. We solder a lot and use lead flashings, too. Maybe it's time for chelation therapy. Hope not.

Just got a flier in the mail the other day. There is a training class in downtown Pittsburgh in March & April.l The fee is $150 for BAMP/AAMP or Affiliated members of PBA or $195 for non-members. The fee includes lunch and the EPA training manual. Go to www.pghhomebuilders.com for and up-to-date listing of when the classes are being offered. The class is limited to 24 people and are on a first-come basis.

Coppersmith...let me know what you find out...I'm interested in getting certified also.

This is the part that scares me as an employer: Our employees handle lead...like lead pipe flashings, solder, and lead coated copper.

I just read an article in Replacement Contractor online about getting your employees tested for lead poising before the April 23, 2010 deadline.

here is a cut and paste from the article:

RC: Should installers regularly be tested for lead?

JJ: I believe OSHA requires it.

RC: Say the installers test positive for lead, who would be responsible for paying for treatment and other medical expenses?

JJ: Whoever the negligent party was or is. Whatever happened two years ago happened two years ago. But from April 23 on, anyone who knowingly subjects an installer to unsafe conditions is negligent. I don't want to go too far with this, but on April 23 you might want to test every employee to get a baseline.